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welcome to shattered reality

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with your hosts Kate Valentine and

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Felicia prepared to head of paradigms

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shifted in your truths questioned and

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now shattered reality well hi we're here

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we are back again yes indeed and

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starting today is today so we got a

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slate we always have to slate today is

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November 8th 2016 and we have a very

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very interesting guest for you today

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before I actually introduce her I had a

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strange experience coming here I'm not

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my first strange experience but

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particularly synchronistic considering

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today's guest I was driving I got off

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the highway I was driving along past GAC

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Road and driving up to our studio here

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with mr. bell and I saw some movement

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off to my left side I was passing a

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reservoir on the right and on the left

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there was a field like a sort of open

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field and there were a whole bunch of

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what appeared to be wild turkeys but one

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of these turkeys was huge I knew it was

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huge because I saw a person down the way

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and how small the person looked and how

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big the turkeys looked or this

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particular turkey which appeared to be

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open feathered like with all the

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feathers open and it was there for

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probably a male turkey am i right

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yeah I think so yeah so I mean I was

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conversing with we're not conversing

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with turkeys genders well we do see here

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a number of wild turkeys

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but they're usually about two to two and

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a half feet tall this one was easy four

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feet tall maybe five feet tall so it was

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a bizarre character but it looked just

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like a turkey and its feathers were

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fanned out sort of like when a peacock

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fans its feathers only like with the

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turkey but they're just new because no

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it wasn't a peacock no I know peacocks

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but so here was this turkey this giant

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turkey and it sort of freaked me out

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and as I was driving along I rode didn't

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look right it looked like it wasn't the

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same road that I usually come up and

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this is off this is our 40th show so it

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you know I've been here a number of

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other times and um so I continue to

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drive and then I'm usually look for the

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church tonight 11:00 well there was a

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church there but it was a different

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Church and I made a left turn and I

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found I was in the wrong place so I

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turned around and I came back and then I

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continued and I finally got to to the

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corner where the church here is and then

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there was a most unfortunate sight oh

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right here right here at in Our Lady of

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Mercy Church there was a downed deer

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that was still alive and there was

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another deer touching it with sort of

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gently prodding it with it's right for

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front leg it's like it's front hand if

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you had a hand in other words and and it

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was obviously very upset that its friend

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it's relative it's cousin whoever was

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bound most likely by a car I was really

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upset and I came to park in front of the

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studio here and I called the animal

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control and I called the police and they

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were kind of annoyed well we already got

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that call man man so so much for them

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but I had a few minutes to wait so I

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picked up one of our guests books which

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I have here and happen to read an

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account about

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a man who hit a deer Oh in in in her

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book and the deer changed into a star

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person and he and the star person had a

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conversation and I thought gee that is

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uncanny well all this to introduce our

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fabulous guest today dr. rd6 killer

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Clarke who is a professor emeritus at

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Montana State University and former

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director of the Center for bilingual and

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multicultural education so she is really

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a very very accomplished woman she has

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three books out about the untold stories

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of alien encounters in North America and

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Mesoamerica and on and off American

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Indian reservations but she specializes

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in finding stories that American Indians

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have had with aliens or star people

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depending on which you wish to call them

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so I feel like I'm on stage again let's

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put our heads together and welcome but

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like we have we haven't got an audience

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of that sort so let's welcome dr. rd6

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killer Clarke and thank you so much for

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being with us yes thank you oh well

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thank you I'm pleased to be here but you

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know the strangest thing as I listened

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to your account of your traveling to the

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studio I had a wild turkey from my yard

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today and I had deer get Alice why yeah

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is that is really you know hiding I have

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a fence around my property and try to

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keep my gate closed unless I'm expecting

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that some sort of a delivery because the

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deer come into my into my yard and of

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course I'd never get an apple because

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the birds they destroyed my apple trees

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oh yes and this year has been

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particularly bad because I had so many

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apples and we've had a mild fall here in

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Montana and so it's been quite amazing

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the the wildlife at once to get into

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those apple trees and but I had both

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deer and turkeys in my yard wild turkeys

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in my yard today well that is that is a

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synchronicity when she said yeah I was

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just amazing as I was listening to you

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what the truly amazing thing is the

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story of the gentleman from Oklahoma who

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was a dog a doctor you know the hospital

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there well I just was amazed that as

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soon as I picked up the book that that

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was the first thing that I looked at

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when I sat out her ID and I said oh my

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goodness this is this this is something

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more than sheer chance and given the

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fact that you also had a turkeys and

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deer of today I I'm a I'm a very big

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we're here at shattered reality both

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Kate and I and our engineer we are a

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tremendous animal lovers we really

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relate to to the animals in our

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environment and I also relate very much

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to to the to the plants as well the

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trees and so forth

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but you all have a special connection on

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having visited many of the reservations

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in the North American area so there's a

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kind of special relationship that

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American Indians have with nature that

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many people European Americans might not

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share I think and that plays into the

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stories does it not I think it does you

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know you know we have a saying that

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there's the to Vegas and the 4-leggers

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and that we're all related

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and and so that you know animals and all

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living creatures even even rocks and and

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symbolic to Native people mm-hmm and so

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it's a it's a different worldview

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well it's interesting our guest last

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time was claude swanson and he agreed

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100% with you he has a whole different

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theory of physics where he's trying to

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bring the so-called paranormal into the

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normal and he mentioned the hopi indians

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in particular but he absolutely agrees

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with you that everything is one and it

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all boils down to whatever one is full

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consciousness is ubiquitous and you as

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as max planck said the quantum physicist

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all starts with consciousness and you

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can't get behind consciousness

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everything that you see and you do is

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related to your consciousness and you

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can't think about what it would be like

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if there were no consciousness and i

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believe everything is conscious so let's

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let before we evolve into an entirely

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philosophical conversation let's get

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back to your now you've written three

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books that are basically there's a sort

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of anthropological ethnographies if you

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american indians and i'm using that term

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because that is the term that you prefer

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and I totally respect that and and the

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sky people or star people depending on

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on and where you're coming from and so

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you do it from an from not questioning

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the validity of any of these stories

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right and I think that's a wonderful way

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to proceed because I think when people

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think that's the reason why these

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stories have never been told because so

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the researchers come from you know

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outside the culture and and they they

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want us to see proof they want they

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question the individual and makes them

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feel like they're on the defensive they

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think that there's a lack of trust there

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that develops them where with me I was

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more interested in getting the story and

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not sincere and there were stories that

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I probably would not put in a book

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because I wasn't too sure the validity

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of the story but for you know for all

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the stories that I include in my books I

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truth so how did you come to start down

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this field well you know um it was

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interesting because you know when I was

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a girl I heard star stories you know

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they were part of the stories that I was

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told we had an excuse absolutely

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we're a little girl oh yeah where were

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you as a little girl well I was in yeah

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and I was hired at Montana State

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University one of my jobs as the

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director of the center it was a brand

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new center and I was the first director

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and I one of the jobs that that I had

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was to go out on the reservations and to

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recruit Native students to come to MSU

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to study tea to be teachers principals

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or superintendents and at the time I

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arrived here you know there you could

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count the number of Indian teachers on

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one hand that were in the schools here

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because it just did not exist

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and so Montana State had this mission of

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they wanted to change that and over the

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years we have considerably but when I

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went out to my first visit I met a man

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who who was appointed on the reservation

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to help me set up the meeting with the

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potential students and afterwards we

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went out to have something to eat and on

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our way back he said to me said if you

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have a few minutes I'd like to show you

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something

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I said sure you know and we went up into

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the mountains and we pulled onto this

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this plane that overlooked his village

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and there was a big big boulder there

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and he said to me he said well he got

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his binoculars and he said come he says

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if we're lucky they'll come over we'll

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come and I said if khamenei said well

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the ancestors the star people and so we

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stopped there on that Boulder and he

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began to tell me ancient stories of his

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people and all the time I'm seeing I'm

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thinking you know and I was a girl I

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heard these stories but those are

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stories that were my childhood and I had

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no idea that other tribes had similar

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stories and so I just became fascinated

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and I thought I wonder if other tribes

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have similar stories and so when I would

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travel out recruiting students and

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meeting people on different reservations

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I would ask them do you have any ancient

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star stories I'm just collecting them

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and so people elders began telling these

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stories and I get referred to this one

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and that one and one day this woman

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asked me she says why are you so

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interested in the past

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why don't you collect the contemporary

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stories we have a lot of those around

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here and so I said well I'd love to hear

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them and so then I began collecting the

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contemporary stories as well and I was

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doing it for my own interest you know I

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would go out to these reservations and I

290
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would have jaw job to do and I would do

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these it

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like these stories in the evenings and

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on weekends sometimes I would stay over

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on the holidays I would stay over and

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and just use my personal time to collect

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these stories and and a few years ago I

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was invited to come out of retirement

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because I had retired that year from

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Montana State and I was invited to come

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out of retirement and do a project for

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the federal government an evaluation of

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a five million dollar grant on a

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reservation and I took the training I

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went to the reservation I met with the

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people and designed actually designed a

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research evaluation plan and then I was

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having lunch with his group of women on

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my last day there and something came up

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about UFOs and I began telling them some

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of the stories I had collected and as

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one lady looked at me and she said what

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are you going to do with those stories

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and I said well probably nothing they

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were for me

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I just wanted those to hear those

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stories and she said well you have a

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responsibility to share those stories

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because that's part of our oral history

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and I really think you should think

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about it so on the way home I'm thinking

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what am I supposed to do should I take

322
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this job and I thought I don't want to

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do this because this is what I've been

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doing for thirty years you know I think

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I'll write a book and so that's how the

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Encounters of star people came about and

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I just have collected so many stories

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you know now well you know probably

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twelve fourteen hundred stories and

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people keep contacting me and wanting to

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see me and meet with me and it's it

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really involves a lot of traveling and

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takes a lot of time and I'm getting

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older now and I'm kind of flowing down

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so

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you know I don't um I'm working on a

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fourth book but we'll see what happens

338
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well we're really happy that you took

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your time out to do these three books

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and do you want to give the names of the

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books yourselves yourself or would you

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like me to say them because we like to

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give our guests the opportunity to to

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mention their books but what I'll be

345
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happy to mention them it's not okay so

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the three books

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now dr. rd6 killa clock has written

348
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other books including some books for

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children which are really so lovely so

350
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wonderful but the three books that we're

351
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dealing with here today the first one

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encounters with star people untold

353
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stories of American Indians and this is

354
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a book that is an anomalous books

355
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it's from the anomalous books company

356
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from wiggly website - yeah anomalous

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books calm and then the second you can

358
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buy them at Amazon okay

359
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and that's Patrick Ouija is it not

360
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anomalous ixps so I've had the pleasure

361
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of meeting him and speaking with him on

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the phone and he seems like a wonderful

363
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man and we're very happy that he goes

364
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forward and brings us some of these

365
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unusual books about about encounters so

366
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the second one is called sky people and

367
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again the untold stories of alien

368
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encounters but this time in Mesoamerica

369
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and again anomalous books I was ok

370
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generate new page individually right

371
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above Korea Press and then the third one

372
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more encounters with star people and now

373
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we're back to anomalous books okay so

374
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you can barely enjoyed working with

375
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Patrick and ELISA

376
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he's just Ana an extremely patient and

377
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he's a wonderful editor he's really

378
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interested in the subject that I mean

379
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just in this anomalous subjects he isn't

380
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truly interested he and at the fellow

381
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from rainbow ridge Bob

382
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our friend Bob never met you know we

383
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indicate we've never even talked on the

384
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phone but we communicate by email and I

385
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really appreciate him and thank him so

386
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much for supporting me you know yes well

387
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he like I say I have met him and he is a

388
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very nice man and what impresses me

389
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about him is the his real interest in

390
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the subject I mean you could come to New

391
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York here and you could meet with

392
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somebody at a big publishing company a

393
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big house and they're just interested in

394
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the bottom line you know they want to

395
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have a best-seller and they want to roll

396
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the presses and have you go on a little

397
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speaking tour at your own expense and

398
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they make the money but he's really

399
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interested in in the subject so that's

400
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why I give them a little a little plug

401
00:20:50,490 --> 00:20:47,350
plug here too but yeah I was wondering

402
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is there like a typical story like one

403
00:20:55,470 --> 00:20:53,410
that you constantly see repeated or a

404
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typical theme I should say to these

405
00:21:01,170 --> 00:20:59,950
stories one that would sort of be you

406
00:21:05,880 --> 00:21:01,180
know that's an interesting question

407
00:21:08,850 --> 00:21:05,890
because it's really hard you know what

408
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I've tried to do in my books because

409
00:21:15,540 --> 00:21:13,150
there's so many different themes in us a

410
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literature for example you know you've

411
00:21:23,790 --> 00:21:18,940
got a male abduction which makes up

412
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about 20% of you know the abduction

413
00:21:29,580 --> 00:21:27,340
cases you've got female abduction and

414
00:21:32,940 --> 00:21:29,590
intermingled with that is you know the

415
00:21:40,470 --> 00:21:32,950
hybrid babies and the pregnancies you've

416
00:21:44,670 --> 00:21:40,480
got the different types of aliens from

417
00:21:47,990 --> 00:21:44,680
the little people the reptilians you

418
00:21:50,880 --> 00:21:48,000
know the blue people the greys you got

419
00:21:53,220 --> 00:21:50,890
the shape-shifting which you were

420
00:21:55,950 --> 00:21:53,230
talking about with the deer yes you've

421
00:21:58,590 --> 00:21:55,960
got the supernatural beings who perform

422
00:22:02,370 --> 00:21:58,600
these amazing tasks you've got the

423
00:22:05,190 --> 00:22:02,380
subterranean creatures missing time and

424
00:22:09,090 --> 00:22:05,200
the shining people so what I try to do

425
00:22:12,090 --> 00:22:09,100
as I'm writing my books is to pull from

426
00:22:14,789 --> 00:22:12,100
all of those categories because of the

427
00:22:19,250 --> 00:22:14,799
enormous number of stories that I have

428
00:22:22,860 --> 00:22:19,260
and so I want to give my readers an

429
00:22:24,930 --> 00:22:22,870
opportunity to have a sampling of the

430
00:22:29,700 --> 00:22:24,940
different kinds of encounters that are

431
00:22:34,019 --> 00:22:29,710
going on and so that's why I don't

432
00:22:36,840 --> 00:22:34,029
present a centralized seem you know in

433
00:22:39,980 --> 00:22:36,850
my book I want people to know that there

434
00:22:42,840 --> 00:22:39,990
is validity and what others are saying

435
00:22:46,049 --> 00:22:42,850
at least from the American Indian

436
00:22:47,850 --> 00:22:46,059
perspective I would say one of the good

437
00:22:51,450 --> 00:22:47,860
things is that none of these encounters

438
00:22:54,659 --> 00:22:51,460
seem harmful or hurtful they all seem

439
00:22:59,250 --> 00:22:54,669
somewhat either like an exchange of

440
00:23:01,080 --> 00:22:59,260
information or are there any instances

441
00:23:04,470 --> 00:23:01,090
where that might be harmful I don't

442
00:23:07,649 --> 00:23:04,480
think so typically not I think only you

443
00:23:10,710 --> 00:23:07,659
know with them you know that there's the

444
00:23:13,889 --> 00:23:10,720
story the young man and up in the the

445
00:23:17,190 --> 00:23:13,899
bear falls he's actually saved by an

446
00:23:20,039 --> 00:23:17,200
alien which as I've found to be of a

447
00:23:23,820 --> 00:23:20,049
very interesting case that the Iraq war

448
00:23:27,330 --> 00:23:23,830
fellow is that what the fellow who was

449
00:23:30,389 --> 00:23:27,340
saved during the Iraq war he was a no no

450
00:23:32,399 --> 00:23:30,399
this is that was that was Tom but that

451
00:23:34,169 --> 00:23:32,409
remember this is a young man that was on

452
00:23:37,230 --> 00:23:34,179
a hunting trip and got lost in a

453
00:23:40,110 --> 00:23:37,240
blizzard and go over a cliff with it you

454
00:23:42,960 --> 00:23:40,120
know and so you know he was badly

455
00:23:46,250 --> 00:23:42,970
injured and couldn't move and you know

456
00:23:51,299 --> 00:23:46,260
it was the worst storm in that area in

457
00:23:53,759 --> 00:23:51,309
you know half a century and he says an

458
00:23:57,600 --> 00:23:53,769
alien healed him that night you know it

459
00:23:59,639 --> 00:23:57,610
came out and I and and he had given up

460
00:24:01,919 --> 00:23:59,649
he basically thought he would never see

461
00:24:05,419 --> 00:24:01,929
his wife and children again

462
00:24:08,490 --> 00:24:05,429
but you know tom is another case where

463
00:24:12,500 --> 00:24:08,500
you know he was in the Iraqi war and

464
00:24:14,550 --> 00:24:12,510
suddenly finds himself in one of these

465
00:24:18,430 --> 00:24:14,560
beasts

466
00:24:20,160 --> 00:24:18,440
sled the sniper fired find safety in an

467
00:24:23,140 --> 00:24:20,170
abandoned building and all of a sudden

468
00:24:27,100 --> 00:24:23,150
this tunnel opens up and he finds

469
00:24:29,290 --> 00:24:27,110
himself with with this alien race and

470
00:24:32,230 --> 00:24:29,300
you know who offered to take him from

471
00:24:36,220 --> 00:24:32,240
the battlefield that was an you know and

472
00:24:39,160 --> 00:24:36,230
there's also the story of Antonio you

473
00:24:42,070 --> 00:24:39,170
know who was taken from a battlefield

474
00:24:42,880 --> 00:24:42,080
um you know that was during World War

475
00:24:45,460 --> 00:24:42,890
two

476
00:24:49,000 --> 00:24:45,470
you know so as you think about the the

477
00:24:52,570 --> 00:24:49,010
varied stories and and the man who lived

478
00:24:55,240 --> 00:24:52,580
to tell me the story was so ahead for

479
00:24:57,550 --> 00:24:55,250
year it had been tormented from the loss

480
00:24:59,770 --> 00:24:57,560
of his friend because he did he saw the

481
00:25:01,090 --> 00:24:59,780
UFO himself but had no idea what

482
00:25:04,030 --> 00:25:01,100
happened to Antonio

483
00:25:05,890 --> 00:25:04,040
yeah one layer was told that they took

484
00:25:08,230 --> 00:25:05,900
him that night because they knew he

485
00:25:12,820 --> 00:25:08,240
would never survive the war but they

486
00:25:16,300 --> 00:25:12,830
also knew that he would survive

487
00:25:18,460 --> 00:25:16,310
and so they left him there and then he

488
00:25:20,530 --> 00:25:18,470
always blamed himself for Antonio's

489
00:25:23,710 --> 00:25:20,540
disappearance and Antonio was never

490
00:25:27,340 --> 00:25:23,720
found as I recall no no and he stillness

491
00:25:28,750 --> 00:25:27,350
that his missing in action that is he go

492
00:25:30,940 --> 00:25:28,760
ahead I'm sorry go ahead

493
00:25:34,870 --> 00:25:30,950
I was just going to say that kind of

494
00:25:38,500 --> 00:25:34,880
weeds into the stories of missing for

495
00:25:41,040 --> 00:25:38,510
one one a fellow who had been a police

496
00:25:43,960 --> 00:25:41,050
officer and and became involved with

497
00:25:45,250 --> 00:25:43,970
investigating disappearances at national

498
00:25:48,250 --> 00:25:45,260
parks I don't know if you're familiar

499
00:25:51,130 --> 00:25:48,260
with him I've heard of that I've never

500
00:25:55,630 --> 00:25:51,140
read his books but I've certainly heard

501
00:25:57,220 --> 00:25:55,640
of of what he's doing and I think it's

502
00:26:02,050 --> 00:25:57,230
really interesting because you know they

503
00:26:05,800 --> 00:26:02,060
say that out of them literally thousands

504
00:26:09,930 --> 00:26:05,810
of people who come up missing yes every

505
00:26:13,480 --> 00:26:09,940
year 50% of them are never accounted for

506
00:26:15,760 --> 00:26:13,490
exactly and it's not unusual well where

507
00:26:18,070 --> 00:26:15,770
do they go well you know I mean they say

508
00:26:20,470 --> 00:26:18,080
that they can explain some by Runaways

509
00:26:24,430 --> 00:26:20,480
they can claim some who purposely

510
00:26:25,690 --> 00:26:24,440
disappear they can explain some who who

511
00:26:31,269 --> 00:26:25,700
meet

512
00:26:34,180 --> 00:26:31,279
on timely ins and right but what happens

513
00:26:35,979 --> 00:26:34,190
to those that they can't explain and

514
00:26:39,519 --> 00:26:35,989
there are a lot of people well you know

515
00:26:41,379 --> 00:26:39,529
you look at Mary and the story in the

516
00:26:44,349 --> 00:26:41,389
book you know where he says my daughter

517
00:26:48,069 --> 00:26:44,359
is not my own in that chapter where she

518
00:26:50,289 --> 00:26:48,079
chooses to leave with these aliens and i

519
00:26:53,079 --> 00:26:50,299
honest to god that is a story that it

520
00:26:56,589 --> 00:26:53,089
will haunt me for all my days and till I

521
00:27:00,249 --> 00:26:56,599
find her again you know yes indeed

522
00:27:04,569 --> 00:27:00,259
I wonder you are an experiencer you have

523
00:27:07,859 --> 00:27:04,579
seen a at least phenomena in the sky and

524
00:27:11,680 --> 00:27:07,869
maybe more you had met that gentleman

525
00:27:15,069 --> 00:27:11,690
near the Canadian border near the

526
00:27:17,019 --> 00:27:15,079
National Park with the writing on the

527
00:27:18,669 --> 00:27:17,029
other I'm trying to think of the name of

528
00:27:21,369 --> 00:27:18,679
the park and I can't quite get it is

529
00:27:23,349 --> 00:27:21,379
writing on right right I was going to

530
00:27:26,649 --> 00:27:23,359
say writing on the rock so I wasn't so

531
00:27:29,019 --> 00:27:26,659
far wrong but he seemed to be somebody

532
00:27:31,119 --> 00:27:29,029
that you're not quite sure he was human

533
00:27:33,879 --> 00:27:31,129
it's all right what's the whole story

534
00:27:35,799 --> 00:27:33,889
there yeah we before for our listeners

535
00:27:37,779 --> 00:27:35,809
perhaps you would like to tell a little

536
00:27:39,339 --> 00:27:37,789
bit of that story we'd love to you know

537
00:27:43,169 --> 00:27:39,349
we'd love to share it with them whatever

538
00:27:46,629 --> 00:27:43,179
you would like to share well you know I

539
00:27:52,599 --> 00:27:46,639
came across him on a basically out of

540
00:27:55,299 --> 00:27:52,609
you know there was a there was a I was

541
00:28:02,399 --> 00:27:55,309
traveling to the writing on this on this

542
00:28:06,729 --> 00:28:02,409
stone park and and I came across him on

543
00:28:09,369 --> 00:28:06,739
the he was he was parked along the side

544
00:28:11,560 --> 00:28:09,379
of the road basically but it was a quite

545
00:28:18,039 --> 00:28:11,570
a large turnoff and I gone there to take

546
00:28:20,739 --> 00:28:18,049
some photos and he came out of the how

547
00:28:23,440 --> 00:28:20,749
the how the boulder and greeted me and

548
00:28:24,819 --> 00:28:23,450
of course at the beginning scared the

549
00:28:28,029 --> 00:28:24,829
life out of me because I didn't think

550
00:28:31,449 --> 00:28:28,039
anybody else was there and and and we

551
00:28:36,159 --> 00:28:31,459
began talking and he was a very very

552
00:28:37,869 --> 00:28:36,169
nice man and as I started to leave you

553
00:28:38,590 --> 00:28:37,879
know I told him I said well I'm I'm just

554
00:28:41,940 --> 00:28:38,600
traveling around

555
00:28:45,129 --> 00:28:41,950
Montana and I'm on my way up into Canada

556
00:28:48,249 --> 00:28:45,139
you know I'm just checking out things

557
00:28:49,930 --> 00:28:48,259
and gathering stories and as I started

558
00:28:53,350 --> 00:28:49,940
to leave he said what do you believe in

559
00:28:56,049 --> 00:28:53,360
UFOs and that really do unto me you know

560
00:28:58,899 --> 00:28:56,059
and then he began to tell me about the

561
00:29:01,539 --> 00:28:58,909
universal highway and he was the one who

562
00:29:03,999 --> 00:29:01,549
was protected in or in Iran who had

563
00:29:08,080 --> 00:29:04,009
fallen into what he called the universal

564
00:29:12,549 --> 00:29:08,090
highway that that he says they're

565
00:29:15,129 --> 00:29:12,559
located all over the world if he just

566
00:29:16,629 --> 00:29:15,139
know where and when to find the man if

567
00:29:18,369 --> 00:29:16,639
you're in the right place at the right

568
00:29:21,580 --> 00:29:18,379
time

569
00:29:23,529 --> 00:29:21,590
and I asked him if he had traveled the

570
00:29:26,110 --> 00:29:23,539
universal highway and he said yes

571
00:29:27,940 --> 00:29:26,120
and he said it is such that you enter

572
00:29:30,269 --> 00:29:27,950
the highway and you think of where you

573
00:29:36,249 --> 00:29:30,279
want to be and that's where you go and

574
00:29:38,830 --> 00:29:36,259
he said that explains why spaceships

575
00:29:41,649 --> 00:29:38,840
from other worlds can come to earth and

576
00:29:45,369 --> 00:29:41,659
we can't go there because we don't have

577
00:29:48,789 --> 00:29:45,379
access as as NASA doesn't have that

578
00:29:50,440 --> 00:29:48,799
access to the universal highway and are

579
00:29:52,299 --> 00:29:50,450
and don't know about it they think of

580
00:29:54,580 --> 00:29:52,309
something of legends and something a

581
00:29:59,110 --> 00:29:54,590
science fiction but he said it's not you

582
00:30:04,269 --> 00:29:59,120
know so I spent time there with him and

583
00:30:07,060 --> 00:30:04,279
and you know it was an amazing stories

584
00:30:10,029 --> 00:30:07,070
that he had to tell you know about what

585
00:30:12,999 --> 00:30:10,039
has happened to him and I asked him I

586
00:30:15,549 --> 00:30:13,009
said well how would he told me about a

587
00:30:17,769 --> 00:30:15,559
Starman that had come through while he

588
00:30:19,629 --> 00:30:17,779
was camped there one time and then he

589
00:30:21,430 --> 00:30:19,639
took him to all the reservations around

590
00:30:25,180 --> 00:30:21,440
South Dakota North Dakota and Wyoming

591
00:30:27,039 --> 00:30:25,190
and Montana and how the people welcomed

592
00:30:29,350 --> 00:30:27,049
him and they went into ceremonies and I

593
00:30:31,539 --> 00:30:29,360
said well how would I know if I met a

594
00:30:35,549 --> 00:30:31,549
sour person he said well have you ever

595
00:30:41,110 --> 00:30:35,559
met somebody who is really kind and

596
00:30:43,269 --> 00:30:41,120
humble and you know just uh never

597
00:30:45,100 --> 00:30:43,279
angered or always looked on the good

598
00:30:46,810 --> 00:30:45,110
side of things and I said well yeah I've

599
00:30:48,430 --> 00:30:46,820
met a few people like that he said well

600
00:30:51,100 --> 00:30:48,440
you probably meant

601
00:30:56,890 --> 00:30:51,110
skaar man I got this thinking you know

602
00:31:00,340 --> 00:30:56,900
he fits that description come inside you

603
00:31:02,800 --> 00:31:00,350
know is he a sermon and so every time I

604
00:31:05,230 --> 00:31:02,810
you know I'll think of Tom and he real

605
00:31:07,900 --> 00:31:05,240
show up at my door and say what's for

606
00:31:10,150 --> 00:31:07,910
dinner you know I think my goodness what

607
00:31:13,060 --> 00:31:10,160
these days are more asking you should

608
00:31:15,070 --> 00:31:13,070
you should definitely dish because he

609
00:31:18,430 --> 00:31:15,080
seems to know exactly what I'm thinking

610
00:31:22,540 --> 00:31:18,440
and what I'm doing you know so but he is

611
00:31:24,880 --> 00:31:22,550
he was an amazing man and and what I'll

612
00:31:30,970 --> 00:31:24,890
never forget I mean all of his stories

613
00:31:32,470 --> 00:31:30,980
of people are just so unforgettable in

614
00:31:36,010 --> 00:31:32,480
my new book you're going to meet some of

615
00:31:38,110 --> 00:31:36,020
the most unusual placards welcomed him

616
00:31:40,030 --> 00:31:38,120
because what I'm writing now can you

617
00:31:42,280 --> 00:31:40,040
give us a hint as to the subject yes

618
00:31:44,890 --> 00:31:42,290
well there's the story that one man

619
00:31:47,680 --> 00:31:44,900
tells me about fathering a child and

620
00:31:49,570 --> 00:31:47,690
that he has been asked to take the child

621
00:31:53,590 --> 00:31:49,580
and raise him on earth

622
00:32:00,490 --> 00:31:53,600
uh-huh this man is an amazing story

623
00:32:03,850 --> 00:32:00,500
I bet absolutely amazing and and he is

624
00:32:05,770 --> 00:32:03,860
in fact living on earth in an

625
00:32:07,630 --> 00:32:05,780
undisclosed location in a foreign

626
00:32:09,880 --> 00:32:07,640
country actually he's raising his child

627
00:32:13,270 --> 00:32:09,890
in a foreign country but his mother is

628
00:32:14,740 --> 00:32:13,280
helping him and so it's an amazing story

629
00:32:18,340 --> 00:32:14,750
and you're going to see some amazing

630
00:32:20,920 --> 00:32:18,350
stories in this new book sounds its own

631
00:32:23,590 --> 00:32:20,930
specialty but I've hesitated to tell you

632
00:32:30,490 --> 00:32:23,600
no because uh but they are so detailed

633
00:32:36,520 --> 00:32:30,500
in you know and and of course he was he

634
00:32:39,210 --> 00:32:36,530
was so concerned about telling his

635
00:32:44,800 --> 00:32:39,220
mother who he is he was an only child

636
00:32:47,320 --> 00:32:44,810
that he had this child and and he said

637
00:32:49,960 --> 00:32:47,330
what am I going to do you know I don't

638
00:32:52,030 --> 00:32:49,970
know how I couldn't raise this child by

639
00:32:55,150 --> 00:32:52,040
myself I don't know I've got to work

640
00:32:57,130 --> 00:32:55,160
I've got but he said they had told him

641
00:32:59,710 --> 00:32:57,140
that they had taught him the ways of his

642
00:33:01,299 --> 00:32:59,720
mother now it was time he learned the

643
00:33:05,409 --> 00:33:01,309
ways of his father

644
00:33:07,869 --> 00:33:05,419
Wow and then yeah go ahead what about

645
00:33:10,779 --> 00:33:07,879
the appearance of this child

646
00:33:14,710 --> 00:33:10,789
you said the child looked almost like a

647
00:33:17,980 --> 00:33:14,720
clone of him except for his eyes and his

648
00:33:21,330 --> 00:33:17,990
eyes were unusually large and around and

649
00:33:25,090 --> 00:33:21,340
he was concerned that the child would be

650
00:33:27,279 --> 00:33:25,100
bullied in school but my recent

651
00:33:32,190 --> 00:33:27,289
communications with him as he has him in

652
00:33:37,139 --> 00:33:32,200
a private international school for

653
00:33:41,169 --> 00:33:37,149
expats that are expats who who live in

654
00:33:42,279 --> 00:33:41,179
this this foreign city and so that he

655
00:33:44,049 --> 00:33:42,289
hasn't any trouble

656
00:33:46,659 --> 00:33:44,059
oh cool he says in fact he's like a

657
00:33:50,519 --> 00:33:46,669
little earth boy now and loves pizza and

658
00:33:53,019 --> 00:33:50,529
football and Star Wars you know and so I

659
00:33:55,840 --> 00:33:53,029
was supposed to meet up with a medical

660
00:33:58,210 --> 00:33:55,850
why he and his mother mother and child

661
00:33:59,710 --> 00:33:58,220
are going to come into a light and the

662
00:34:01,779 --> 00:33:59,720
holidays and I'm supposed to meet up

663
00:34:05,499 --> 00:34:01,789
with them well that sounds like I'm

664
00:34:08,379 --> 00:34:05,509
looking forward to ending us yes but he

665
00:34:10,270 --> 00:34:08,389
could easily pass her in our child I'll

666
00:34:13,599 --> 00:34:10,280
show you you know been in contact at all

667
00:34:19,000 --> 00:34:13,609
with doctor David Jacobs who is very

668
00:34:22,659 --> 00:34:19,010
involved with the D hybrids I haven't

669
00:34:28,809 --> 00:34:22,669
know but you know apparently I'm not I'm

670
00:34:31,599 --> 00:34:28,819
not in too much into that scene of you

671
00:34:35,770 --> 00:34:31,609
know interacting and communicating oh I

672
00:34:39,280 --> 00:34:35,780
do with whitley strieber and a few but

673
00:34:41,740 --> 00:34:39,290
my interaction I'm not a big conference

674
00:34:43,089 --> 00:34:41,750
goer I don't go and speak at the

675
00:34:46,649 --> 00:34:43,099
conferences even though I've been

676
00:34:52,720 --> 00:34:46,659
invited at more of a private person and

677
00:34:54,520 --> 00:34:52,730
and so I just you know I I just don't

678
00:34:57,129 --> 00:34:54,530
have an opportunity to meet a lot of

679
00:34:59,380 --> 00:34:57,139
those individuals well that's I think

680
00:35:02,079 --> 00:34:59,390
that it's fine to be a private person

681
00:35:04,420 --> 00:35:02,089
and I respect you for that I wanted to

682
00:35:07,480 --> 00:35:04,430
ask you a little bit about the

683
00:35:09,880 --> 00:35:07,490
differences primarily between the those

684
00:35:12,730 --> 00:35:09,890
stories of American Indians on a

685
00:35:15,099 --> 00:35:12,740
reservation versus those who are living

686
00:35:16,599 --> 00:35:15,109
off the reservation

687
00:35:19,299 --> 00:35:16,609
and that's kind of the difference

688
00:35:21,819 --> 00:35:19,309
between encounters with start people and

689
00:35:24,400 --> 00:35:21,829
more encounters with star people the one

690
00:35:26,620 --> 00:35:24,410
thing that stood out to me more than

691
00:35:29,650 --> 00:35:26,630
anything else and encounters with star

692
00:35:32,589 --> 00:35:29,660
people is the idea that a lot of the

693
00:35:36,039 --> 00:35:32,599
encounters that some of these elders had

694
00:35:38,709 --> 00:35:36,049
and other individuals the elders

695
00:35:41,859 --> 00:35:38,719
particularly were not afraid of the

696
00:35:44,109 --> 00:35:41,869
visitors I'm like Whitley in terms of

697
00:35:45,309 --> 00:35:44,119
calling the visitors because heck I

698
00:35:46,660 --> 00:35:45,319
don't know where they're from I know

699
00:35:49,949 --> 00:35:46,670
they're here I don't know where they

700
00:35:54,999 --> 00:35:49,959
came from so that would be my my

701
00:35:58,180 --> 00:35:55,009
nomenclature for them generally but it

702
00:36:01,209 --> 00:35:58,190
surprised me so much that these elders

703
00:36:05,559 --> 00:36:01,219
were not at all afraid because so many

704
00:36:07,569 --> 00:36:05,569
people in city culture and in American

705
00:36:11,859 --> 00:36:07,579
cities and in fact other cities around

706
00:36:13,989 --> 00:36:11,869
the world they experienced terror and

707
00:36:16,120 --> 00:36:13,999
even if they're not in town if they're

708
00:36:19,209 --> 00:36:16,130
in the country when it happens they

709
00:36:22,719 --> 00:36:19,219
noticed that their dogs have their hair

710
00:36:26,019 --> 00:36:22,729
stand on end and that it gets real quiet

711
00:36:29,769 --> 00:36:26,029
and the animals seem to be sort of

712
00:36:33,069 --> 00:36:29,779
hiding and sometimes the dogs are baying

713
00:36:35,739 --> 00:36:33,079
for hours afterwards so that the feeling

714
00:36:37,329 --> 00:36:35,749
of not fright in the sense of I'm

715
00:36:40,870 --> 00:36:37,339
thinking oh I don't want to meet an

716
00:36:43,449 --> 00:36:40,880
alien so I'll be frightened but more of

717
00:36:46,599 --> 00:36:43,459
this kind of biological terror that I

718
00:36:49,900 --> 00:36:46,609
have experienced personally I find that

719
00:36:53,170 --> 00:36:49,910
to be missing with these elders and I'm

720
00:36:56,559 --> 00:36:53,180
impressed by that but yet I I question

721
00:36:59,709 --> 00:36:56,569
it and how you how you encountered that

722
00:37:02,259 --> 00:36:59,719
how you felt about that what was your

723
00:37:06,309 --> 00:37:02,269
thought yes the keeper you know

724
00:37:08,589 --> 00:37:06,319
remembering that the legends there are

725
00:37:11,589 --> 00:37:08,599
so many legends and that will come out

726
00:37:14,289 --> 00:37:11,599
of my fourth book but there's so many

727
00:37:17,769 --> 00:37:14,299
ancient legends to speak of interaction

728
00:37:22,989 --> 00:37:17,779
with star people and sky people and the

729
00:37:25,089 --> 00:37:22,999
sky gods that have been passed down as a

730
00:37:27,670 --> 00:37:25,099
part of the history of the tribal group

731
00:37:28,690 --> 00:37:27,680
for generation after generation after

732
00:37:34,599 --> 00:37:28,700
generation

733
00:37:37,329 --> 00:37:34,609
so the idea that alien is not a common

734
00:37:41,620 --> 00:37:37,339
term you'll hear among the elders

735
00:37:44,680 --> 00:37:41,630
because they believe in star people and

736
00:37:49,750 --> 00:37:44,690
so they also continue to believe that

737
00:37:52,630 --> 00:37:49,760
they continue to visit earth and the

738
00:37:55,319 --> 00:37:52,640
differences I've found and this is where

739
00:37:59,859 --> 00:37:55,329
we're we're it's really interesting

740
00:38:02,620 --> 00:37:59,869
because very few elders I ran across two

741
00:38:05,829 --> 00:38:02,630
or three elders who gave me stories that

742
00:38:07,839 --> 00:38:05,839
they said these visitors these star

743
00:38:10,450 --> 00:38:07,849
people are not the star people of my

744
00:38:13,599 --> 00:38:10,460
grandfather who these are evil people

745
00:38:15,130 --> 00:38:13,609
they are taking advantage of humans

746
00:38:19,620 --> 00:38:15,140
they're doing things that they shouldn't

747
00:38:23,890 --> 00:38:19,630
be doing whereas the majority of them

748
00:38:26,470 --> 00:38:23,900
even if they were not the people they

749
00:38:30,430 --> 00:38:26,480
have no fear of them because as part of

750
00:38:32,260 --> 00:38:30,440
their history of their tribal groups but

751
00:38:35,349 --> 00:38:32,270
it was interesting to me as I

752
00:38:37,930 --> 00:38:35,359
interviewed off-reservation natives

753
00:38:42,069 --> 00:38:37,940
compared to on reservation natives and

754
00:38:44,589 --> 00:38:42,079
that there was more concern about the

755
00:38:50,079 --> 00:38:44,599
offer as by the off-reservation group

756
00:38:52,240 --> 00:38:50,089
about what their intentions were now

757
00:38:54,760 --> 00:38:52,250
keep in mind some of the offer

758
00:38:57,309 --> 00:38:54,770
reservation people I interviewed had

759
00:38:59,920 --> 00:38:57,319
very little connection with reservations

760
00:39:03,280 --> 00:38:59,930
the majority of them had heard Starr

761
00:39:05,230 --> 00:39:03,290
stories as children that had been passed

762
00:39:07,180 --> 00:39:05,240
along when they go to the reservation

763
00:39:09,430 --> 00:39:07,190
and maybe there's a grandma or a Grimm

764
00:39:13,650 --> 00:39:09,440
visit and Auntie but they were so far

765
00:39:17,740 --> 00:39:13,660
removed from from the day-to-day

766
00:39:21,640 --> 00:39:17,750
storytelling than life that they didn't

767
00:39:27,099 --> 00:39:21,650
have those goes necessarily strong

768
00:39:29,710 --> 00:39:27,109
connections they and as a whole the

769
00:39:31,960 --> 00:39:29,720
group was more educated than the group

770
00:39:34,599 --> 00:39:31,970
on the reservation not saying that that

771
00:39:37,390 --> 00:39:34,609
those who reside on reservations don't

772
00:39:40,660 --> 00:39:37,400
like education is just that those who

773
00:39:42,190 --> 00:39:40,670
lived off the reservation were off often

774
00:39:43,930 --> 00:39:42,200
left the reservation because

775
00:39:46,569 --> 00:39:43,940
they had gone to college and got college

776
00:39:49,630 --> 00:39:46,579
degrees and either married into a

777
00:39:52,540 --> 00:39:49,640
different tribe or married non-indians

778
00:39:55,240 --> 00:39:52,550
or had a job opportunities they couldn't

779
00:39:58,599 --> 00:39:55,250
turn down off the reservation others

780
00:40:01,599 --> 00:39:58,609
were people who came who were born

781
00:40:04,030 --> 00:40:01,609
outside the reservation had minimal

782
00:40:06,220 --> 00:40:04,040
contact with the reservation or could

783
00:40:09,900 --> 00:40:06,230
have regular contact but they were a

784
00:40:12,310 --> 00:40:09,910
part of a group of people who were

785
00:40:14,620 --> 00:40:12,320
forced off the reservation by the

786
00:40:16,480 --> 00:40:14,630
government back in the 50s when

787
00:40:19,420 --> 00:40:16,490
Eisenhower was president wanted to

788
00:40:21,310 --> 00:40:19,430
eliminate the reservations so he started

789
00:40:23,740 --> 00:40:21,320
you know moving people off the

790
00:40:25,569 --> 00:40:23,750
reservations into cities where they

791
00:40:27,040 --> 00:40:25,579
could work in auto factories and

792
00:40:29,349 --> 00:40:27,050
different kinds of things and many of

793
00:40:31,690 --> 00:40:29,359
those people although they returned to

794
00:40:34,930 --> 00:40:31,700
the reservation to live others stayed in

795
00:40:37,510 --> 00:40:34,940
those cities and so you have a lot of

796
00:40:39,250 --> 00:40:37,520
data people who are being born and now

797
00:40:41,950 --> 00:40:39,260
they're adults and they have children

798
00:40:46,930 --> 00:40:41,960
yes so they have a different kind of

799
00:40:49,480 --> 00:40:46,940
perspective so they there were more

800
00:40:51,960 --> 00:40:49,490
encounters with different kinds of

801
00:40:57,809 --> 00:40:51,970
aliens among the non reservation groups

802
00:41:01,000 --> 00:40:57,819
and and more questioning I think of

803
00:41:02,980 --> 00:41:01,010
motos well you know what were they doing

804
00:41:06,400 --> 00:41:02,990
here what do they want you know that

805
00:41:09,069 --> 00:41:06,410
kind of thing indeed do you find like

806
00:41:12,430 --> 00:41:09,079
the media has a larger effect on those

807
00:41:16,780 --> 00:41:12,440
people - and certainly a you know just

808
00:41:19,809 --> 00:41:16,790
television and the Internet and so on

809
00:41:22,890 --> 00:41:19,819
has a whole different approach to UFOs

810
00:41:25,240 --> 00:41:22,900
ufology than it used to have it sort of

811
00:41:28,230 --> 00:41:25,250
accidents even so I was just wondering

812
00:41:30,970 --> 00:41:28,240
if that would have influenced them as to

813
00:41:33,339 --> 00:41:30,980
perhaps being a little bit more open to

814
00:41:34,690 --> 00:41:33,349
telling you these tales as well because

815
00:41:39,040 --> 00:41:34,700
I think it's become somewhat more

816
00:41:44,349 --> 00:41:39,050
acceptable you know I didn't talk to

817
00:41:47,230 --> 00:41:44,359
anybody that didn't fear that there's

818
00:41:49,870 --> 00:41:47,240
they didn't want their story known truth

819
00:41:55,300 --> 00:41:49,880
is connected with them because they had

820
00:41:55,900 --> 00:41:55,310
a real concern that of I know what got

821
00:41:58,420 --> 00:41:55,910
her out

822
00:42:00,490 --> 00:41:58,430
want to end up on Facebook with an alien

823
00:42:04,930 --> 00:42:00,500
story out there he said that will

824
00:42:08,319 --> 00:42:04,940
destroy me and there's a real fear of

825
00:42:10,630 --> 00:42:08,329
how the Internet is being used in terms

826
00:42:15,339 --> 00:42:10,640
of coming forward and telling telling

827
00:42:17,500 --> 00:42:15,349
their stories they think employers will

828
00:42:19,750 --> 00:42:17,510
use it against them they think it could

829
00:42:23,440 --> 00:42:19,760
cause all kinds of problems in their

830
00:42:26,319 --> 00:42:23,450
personal lives and they also don't want

831
00:42:29,650 --> 00:42:26,329
people to think they're crazy or tease

832
00:42:33,870 --> 00:42:29,660
them or whatever is it could be the

833
00:42:36,609 --> 00:42:33,880
reason and that's why they all without

834
00:42:38,770 --> 00:42:36,619
only had one person that I told a story

835
00:42:39,880 --> 00:42:38,780
ever told me you can use my real name if

836
00:42:44,470 --> 00:42:39,890
you want to I don't care

837
00:42:46,960 --> 00:42:44,480
um yeah but that was only one person out

838
00:42:51,849 --> 00:42:46,970
of all the stories that I've told and

839
00:42:55,270 --> 00:42:51,859
them and and so you know people want

840
00:42:57,220 --> 00:42:55,280
anonymity to tell these stories that is

841
00:42:59,950 --> 00:42:57,230
true and I mean not just in the people

842
00:43:03,130 --> 00:42:59,960
you met but almost anyone in ufology I

843
00:43:05,410 --> 00:43:03,140
there still is the giggle the so-called

844
00:43:07,720 --> 00:43:05,420
giggle factor the fact is right put down

845
00:43:10,809 --> 00:43:07,730
that you're crazy these things don't

846
00:43:12,940 --> 00:43:10,819
happen and so oh you're not telling that

847
00:43:18,700 --> 00:43:12,950
and a preface of my book or something I

848
00:43:20,920 --> 00:43:18,710
think is very interesting as hell I was

849
00:43:24,329 --> 00:43:20,930
at a barbecue after my first book came

850
00:43:29,890 --> 00:43:24,339
out and there were 10 of us there and

851
00:43:32,559 --> 00:43:29,900
and this one woman from her man

852
00:43:35,410 --> 00:43:32,569
I think was from Colorado said to me

853
00:43:38,019 --> 00:43:35,420
well what is your book about and so I

854
00:43:42,660 --> 00:43:38,029
said what's about star people and UFOs

855
00:43:45,370 --> 00:43:42,670
and he said well I had an encounter and

856
00:43:48,789 --> 00:43:45,380
so he begins to tell me the story next

857
00:43:51,700 --> 00:43:48,799
thing I know they're asked six people at

858
00:43:55,029 --> 00:43:51,710
that barbecue who all have had some kind

859
00:43:57,430 --> 00:43:55,039
of an encounter with UFO and I said if

860
00:43:59,049 --> 00:43:57,440
you ever told your story they said well

861
00:44:01,599 --> 00:43:59,059
about ourselves but we don't tell

862
00:44:03,069 --> 00:44:01,609
anybody else because we don't tell

863
00:44:06,030 --> 00:44:03,079
anybody that we really don't know

864
00:44:09,030 --> 00:44:06,040
because we can only tell people we trust

865
00:44:12,060 --> 00:44:09,040
and I thought you know how many times

866
00:44:13,950 --> 00:44:12,070
how many of us ever asked a group of

867
00:44:16,980 --> 00:44:13,960
people that were involved with have you

868
00:44:19,470 --> 00:44:16,990
ever had an encounter with UFO you know

869
00:44:24,390 --> 00:44:19,480
there's some people to say you know as

870
00:44:25,980 --> 00:44:24,400
many as much as 75% of Americans have

871
00:44:28,740 --> 00:44:25,990
had an encounter but they just don't

872
00:44:32,190 --> 00:44:28,750
tell anybody or nobody ask them if they

873
00:44:35,340 --> 00:44:32,200
have well then then we get into whether

874
00:44:37,830 --> 00:44:35,350
an encounter is seeing light or whether

875
00:44:39,900 --> 00:44:37,840
it goes all the way to the fourth kind

876
00:44:43,010 --> 00:44:39,910
of encounter where you have like a

877
00:44:45,810 --> 00:44:43,020
definite interaction with right a

878
00:44:49,110 --> 00:44:45,820
visitor a star person or an alien

879
00:44:51,630 --> 00:44:49,120
depending on your nomenclature but that

880
00:44:54,090 --> 00:44:51,640
is that is really you've done a

881
00:44:55,680 --> 00:44:54,100
masterful job here with these three

882
00:44:59,700 --> 00:44:55,690
books and I can't wait for the fourth

883
00:45:03,840 --> 00:44:59,710
one to come out I one of the the stories

884
00:45:09,900 --> 00:45:03,850
that I liked the best was the story

885
00:45:12,780 --> 00:45:09,910
about uncle Ralph and Donovan and it was

886
00:45:15,120 --> 00:45:12,790
it was very compelling to me about the

887
00:45:16,710 --> 00:45:15,130
how the the reservation that they were

888
00:45:19,470 --> 00:45:16,720
on at the time was kind of shut down

889
00:45:25,770 --> 00:45:19,480
because of The Electric Company and the

890
00:45:28,620 --> 00:45:25,780
the what apparently came into the wire

891
00:45:32,130 --> 00:45:28,630
was a UFO and the description they gave

892
00:45:34,500 --> 00:45:32,140
of the UFO and how it was um it was

893
00:45:38,520 --> 00:45:34,510
covered up by the the army of the

894
00:45:43,320 --> 00:45:38,530
American army and it seems to be a theme

895
00:45:46,170 --> 00:45:43,330
that has been repeated both on and off a

896
00:45:48,990 --> 00:45:46,180
reservation as in Roswell for instance

897
00:45:52,200 --> 00:45:49,000
which would seem to be that way and

898
00:45:54,120 --> 00:45:52,210
there were a few other crashes of that

899
00:45:57,210 --> 00:45:54,130
sort that were covered up like Kecksburg

900
00:45:59,610 --> 00:45:57,220
in Pennsylvania which is not all that

901
00:46:03,390 --> 00:45:59,620
far from us here out on the East Coast

902
00:46:07,590 --> 00:46:03,400
where a sphere came down was followed by

903
00:46:09,570 --> 00:46:07,600
radar and all the people involved were

904
00:46:12,050 --> 00:46:09,580
sort of quarantined and the thing was

905
00:46:15,630 --> 00:46:12,060
covered up and the roads were plowed and

906
00:46:17,880 --> 00:46:15,640
it's it's just too common it's not a

907
00:46:19,330 --> 00:46:17,890
real common story but it has happened

908
00:46:21,640 --> 00:46:19,340
too many times

909
00:46:23,290 --> 00:46:21,650
for it to be just fictional but I was

910
00:46:26,710 --> 00:46:23,300
very I was very impressed with that

911
00:46:29,200 --> 00:46:26,720
particular story and just wish that you

912
00:46:31,620 --> 00:46:29,210
know that we could find out more about

913
00:46:35,260 --> 00:46:31,630
it but I guess that's not possible

914
00:46:37,030 --> 00:46:35,270
hello you know any and you know not too

915
00:46:40,030 --> 00:46:37,040
long ago the same thing happened up in

916
00:46:43,030 --> 00:46:40,040
Canada where the military came in and

917
00:46:44,470 --> 00:46:43,040
and blocked off all views that people

918
00:46:46,500 --> 00:46:44,480
had seen it one man even took

919
00:46:49,780 --> 00:46:46,510
photographs and they were taken from him

920
00:46:53,260 --> 00:46:49,790
and they went around and told the people

921
00:46:55,480 --> 00:46:53,270
to stay in their houses and and that it

922
00:46:58,630 --> 00:46:55,490
was just a military exercise that

923
00:47:03,420 --> 00:46:58,640
nothing was really going on and and of

924
00:47:06,160 --> 00:47:03,430
course you know these two men who were

925
00:47:08,740 --> 00:47:06,170
witnesses to what took place you know

926
00:47:11,350 --> 00:47:08,750
work for the The Electric Company had

927
00:47:13,870 --> 00:47:11,360
gone out there you know to check on why

928
00:47:16,600 --> 00:47:13,880
the power and this had why the

929
00:47:19,720 --> 00:47:16,610
reservation had gone dark and discovered

930
00:47:21,790 --> 00:47:19,730
this UFO that had hit taken out these

931
00:47:26,500 --> 00:47:21,800
telephone or taking out these electric

932
00:47:28,990 --> 00:47:26,510
lines and had skidded and you know it

933
00:47:31,990 --> 00:47:29,000
was just an amazing story

934
00:47:34,720 --> 00:47:32,000
and how it had been covered up and how

935
00:47:37,180 --> 00:47:34,730
you know you know and you you look at

936
00:47:39,430 --> 00:47:37,190
some of the reservations by back in

937
00:47:41,560 --> 00:47:39,440
those days too they were quite there

938
00:47:44,440 --> 00:47:41,570
they were more isolated even than they

939
00:47:47,860 --> 00:47:44,450
are today and and a lack of traffic and

940
00:47:51,190 --> 00:47:47,870
people coming and going and and so they

941
00:47:55,300 --> 00:47:51,200
are able to get away with that well if

942
00:47:58,630 --> 00:47:55,310
that brings me to the talk of particular

943
00:48:00,610 --> 00:47:58,640
portals and I don't know you a very busy

944
00:48:03,160 --> 00:48:00,620
lady and and I don't think that you

945
00:48:07,930 --> 00:48:03,170
probably got a chance to read my story

946
00:48:11,710 --> 00:48:07,940
of one of the my strange encounters when

947
00:48:14,320 --> 00:48:11,720
I visited canyon de chelly which is um

948
00:48:18,010 --> 00:48:14,330
the young I know I'm very familiar with

949
00:48:20,800 --> 00:48:18,020
a place you could camilli with canyon de

950
00:48:23,140 --> 00:48:20,810
chelly oh yeah why are many nice what

951
00:48:25,750 --> 00:48:23,150
had happened is I went with my family on

952
00:48:28,840 --> 00:48:25,760
a family trip to the Grand Canyon you

953
00:48:31,180 --> 00:48:28,850
know people do that in and I also wanted

954
00:48:32,080 --> 00:48:31,190
to get they've got to wubb that other

955
00:48:35,620 --> 00:48:32,090
town in

956
00:48:40,960 --> 00:48:35,630
in Arizona that that has the spots of

957
00:48:43,120 --> 00:48:40,970
the vortexes in it that madona Sedona we

958
00:48:45,400 --> 00:48:43,130
went to sell enough for the second time

959
00:48:47,080 --> 00:48:45,410
I went to Sedona so it was kind of a it

960
00:48:49,030 --> 00:48:47,090
was kind of a pilgrimage in a way

961
00:48:51,430 --> 00:48:49,040
because I don't live in that area and I

962
00:48:54,970 --> 00:48:51,440
don't get out there very often and I

963
00:48:59,620 --> 00:48:54,980
have a friend down and down in Tucson

964
00:49:02,470 --> 00:48:59,630
who is a part American Indian and she's

965
00:49:05,260 --> 00:49:02,480
very connected to the earth as I I feel

966
00:49:07,810 --> 00:49:05,270
I am as well and she had recommended

967
00:49:11,950 --> 00:49:07,820
that I get out there to a canyon de

968
00:49:14,080 --> 00:49:11,960
chelly and I decided to take the trip

969
00:49:16,540 --> 00:49:14,090
and got all confused with the time zones

970
00:49:19,030 --> 00:49:16,550
because of course in that northeastern

971
00:49:22,420 --> 00:49:19,040
area of Arizona they don't go along with

972
00:49:25,210 --> 00:49:22,430
with the daylight savings time and so I

973
00:49:27,970 --> 00:49:25,220
had no idea what time it was their

974
00:49:29,650 --> 00:49:27,980
intended down there yes well it was it

975
00:49:31,420 --> 00:49:29,660
was very eye-opening it was very

976
00:49:35,140 --> 00:49:31,430
interesting and when I finally got I

977
00:49:37,900 --> 00:49:35,150
stayed at Leon the in within the park

978
00:49:39,790 --> 00:49:37,910
and it is the only United States park

979
00:49:43,510 --> 00:49:39,800
that actually doesn't belong to the

980
00:49:47,560 --> 00:49:43,520
United States it's co-owned by the Hopi

981
00:49:50,260 --> 00:49:47,570
nation and the I'm sorry I'm forgetting

982
00:49:53,650 --> 00:49:50,270
the other via that oh not a pollination

983
00:49:58,540 --> 00:49:53,660
right and so I stayed actually within

984
00:50:02,410 --> 00:49:58,550
the park in the I guess it was the lodge

985
00:50:05,230 --> 00:50:02,420
is owned by Navajo people and I stayed

986
00:50:09,340 --> 00:50:05,240
there and the first night I was there I

987
00:50:11,380 --> 00:50:09,350
had a very strange out of out-of-body

988
00:50:14,820 --> 00:50:11,390
dream experience I couldn't tell you

989
00:50:18,700 --> 00:50:14,830
which it was I went outside the room and

990
00:50:20,530 --> 00:50:18,710
there were what I would describe as men

991
00:50:22,960 --> 00:50:20,540
they look like men they were humanoid

992
00:50:27,660 --> 00:50:22,970
they were wrapped in what appeared to be

993
00:50:30,700 --> 00:50:27,670
black burlap or a heavy cloth and they

994
00:50:33,270 --> 00:50:30,710
they were looking at the sky and they

995
00:50:37,030 --> 00:50:33,280
showed me all the constellations and

996
00:50:38,380 --> 00:50:37,040
they told me a little bit about what

997
00:50:39,970 --> 00:50:38,390
they were doing out there and the

998
00:50:43,660 --> 00:50:39,980
constellations look like they were

999
00:50:45,850 --> 00:50:43,670
thrown up there in and not like Stars at

1000
00:50:49,750 --> 00:50:45,860
all but that these men and blah

1001
00:50:51,900 --> 00:50:49,760
back in his black burlap with a few sort

1002
00:50:55,570 --> 00:50:51,910
of like white beads around their head

1003
00:50:58,330 --> 00:50:55,580
they told me that the things about the

1004
00:51:00,160 --> 00:50:58,340
Stars and I went back into the room to

1005
00:51:02,260 --> 00:51:00,170
wake up the people I was with to bring

1006
00:51:04,840 --> 00:51:02,270
them out there only to discover that

1007
00:51:07,090 --> 00:51:04,850
they were asleep and I couldn't wake

1008
00:51:09,790 --> 00:51:07,100
them up and then I was in bed and then

1009
00:51:11,710 --> 00:51:09,800
it was the next day well I went down to

1010
00:51:14,530 --> 00:51:11,720
the place where you have breakfast and

1011
00:51:16,990 --> 00:51:14,540
within the breakfast area which was a

1012
00:51:20,080 --> 00:51:17,000
square building there was another square

1013
00:51:22,090 --> 00:51:20,090
inside the square and I understand that

1014
00:51:26,950 --> 00:51:22,100
that square inside the square had some

1015
00:51:29,140 --> 00:51:26,960
kind of a ceremonial of uses back in the

1016
00:51:31,960 --> 00:51:29,150
day but at this time there were only

1017
00:51:34,030 --> 00:51:31,970
paintings in there that were for sale by

1018
00:51:36,190 --> 00:51:34,040
American Indian artists and I went in

1019
00:51:38,920 --> 00:51:36,200
there looking around and what do you

1020
00:51:42,150 --> 00:51:38,930
know I see pictures of the same guys

1021
00:51:44,680 --> 00:51:42,160
that were the night before in my

1022
00:51:47,170 --> 00:51:44,690
experience and they were throwing these

1023
00:51:49,420 --> 00:51:47,180
things up into the sky and I bought a

1024
00:51:51,100 --> 00:51:49,430
book that was supposed to tell you all

1025
00:51:53,200 --> 00:51:51,110
the stories and I couldn't find that

1026
00:51:57,460 --> 00:51:53,210
story in the book so I wrote it down in

1027
00:51:59,800 --> 00:51:57,470
my blog but I found that Canyon de

1028
00:52:02,710 --> 00:51:59,810
Chelly was a very very magical place and

1029
00:52:04,720 --> 00:52:02,720
that the kind of the air there was

1030
00:52:07,450 --> 00:52:04,730
different I wanted to go to spider rock

1031
00:52:09,700 --> 00:52:07,460
and you know because of the The Legend

1032
00:52:12,580 --> 00:52:09,710
of the Spider Woman there that my my

1033
00:52:15,700 --> 00:52:12,590
friend in and Tucson was very close to

1034
00:52:16,540 --> 00:52:15,710
and I was in and altogether magical

1035
00:52:19,690 --> 00:52:16,550
experience

1036
00:52:21,730 --> 00:52:19,700
I thought the air was different the

1037
00:52:24,340 --> 00:52:21,740
sounds around my ears were different it

1038
00:52:25,960 --> 00:52:24,350
was just a incredibly magical experience

1039
00:52:29,260 --> 00:52:25,970
in Canyon de Chelly and I wanted to

1040
00:52:31,690 --> 00:52:29,270
share that with you and and so I had my

1041
00:52:34,000 --> 00:52:31,700
own little encounter with some star

1042
00:52:36,330 --> 00:52:34,010
people down there sort of I think that

1043
00:52:41,560 --> 00:52:36,340
they would refer to them the Hopi nation

1044
00:52:44,340 --> 00:52:41,570
and the Navajo Nation as Kachinas well

1045
00:52:49,360 --> 00:52:44,350
now our key value you know I agree is it

1046
00:52:51,060 --> 00:52:49,370
canyon de chelly is and Monument Valley

1047
00:52:54,370 --> 00:52:51,070
I don't know if you've ever been there

1048
00:52:57,940 --> 00:52:54,380
up in northern Arizona but those two

1049
00:52:58,760 --> 00:52:57,950
places are to me very magical you know I

1050
00:53:01,460 --> 00:52:58,770
love

1051
00:53:04,310 --> 00:53:01,470
Sedona but it is so touristy yes that

1052
00:53:11,780 --> 00:53:04,320
you have to get outside the city there

1053
00:53:14,960 --> 00:53:11,790
you know to really touch the magic but

1054
00:53:19,550 --> 00:53:14,970
it's just become too much of a place

1055
00:53:23,660 --> 00:53:19,560
where too many people go and and carry

1056
00:53:25,970 --> 00:53:23,670
on things and ceremonies mm-hmm what and

1057
00:53:29,870 --> 00:53:25,980
okay what what is this Canyon de Chelly

1058
00:53:32,450 --> 00:53:29,880
cuz I'm not familiar with it well if

1059
00:53:33,950 --> 00:53:32,460
it's on it's on the Navajo Reservation

1060
00:53:37,430 --> 00:53:33,960
the only way you can go in there is to

1061
00:53:41,180 --> 00:53:37,440
have a Navajo guide you know that's

1062
00:53:44,630 --> 00:53:41,190
required and the Navajo guides can only

1063
00:53:49,070 --> 00:53:44,640
be people who have owned property inside

1064
00:53:51,620 --> 00:53:49,080
canyon de chelly it was a it's rather a

1065
00:53:53,470 --> 00:53:51,630
sacred place and if you look at the

1066
00:53:56,150 --> 00:53:53,480
history of canyon de chelly you know

1067
00:53:59,030 --> 00:53:56,160
navajo people hid out in the caves there

1068
00:54:05,000 --> 00:53:59,040
while the army fired on them and it's

1069
00:54:10,820 --> 00:54:05,010
a-you know it's just a tale of you know

1070
00:54:13,910 --> 00:54:10,830
in the the Mexican Army was so

1071
00:54:17,960 --> 00:54:13,920
enthralled with why the corn they could

1072
00:54:22,460 --> 00:54:17,970
grow corn so large and and wanted him to

1073
00:54:25,010 --> 00:54:22,470
feed their armies and and so it was it

1074
00:54:26,780 --> 00:54:25,020
was it was called the long walk of the

1075
00:54:30,850 --> 00:54:26,790
Navajo where they captured them and

1076
00:54:33,410 --> 00:54:30,860
forced them into Mexico where they they

1077
00:54:37,520 --> 00:54:33,420
were forced to feed the army to grow

1078
00:54:39,890 --> 00:54:37,530
crops but it's it was the unusual makeup

1079
00:54:43,010 --> 00:54:39,900
of the soil that made the corn grow so

1080
00:54:44,870 --> 00:54:43,020
well and so then the long walk of the

1081
00:54:48,290 --> 00:54:44,880
Navajo is their Trek back to their

1082
00:54:53,870 --> 00:54:48,300
homeland and them and it's okay need to

1083
00:54:58,160 --> 00:54:53,880
show you is very very sacred place to go

1084
00:55:01,480 --> 00:54:58,170
and I've had the opportunity to stay

1085
00:55:04,310 --> 00:55:01,490
there overnight in the canyon because I

1086
00:55:08,890 --> 00:55:04,320
met a guide there who

1087
00:55:11,720 --> 00:55:08,900
understood what I was doing and and he

1088
00:55:13,700 --> 00:55:11,730
invited me to stay in his grandmother's

1089
00:55:15,980 --> 00:55:13,710
house there you know she had a little

1090
00:55:18,230 --> 00:55:15,990
place there in the opinion and I was

1091
00:55:23,030 --> 00:55:18,240
allowed to stay there a wonderful bed

1092
00:55:29,860 --> 00:55:23,040
but Monument Valley is equally as sacred

1093
00:55:32,900 --> 00:55:29,870
in my opinion as as you know as far as

1094
00:55:34,910 --> 00:55:32,910
you know but you know you also get into

1095
00:55:37,520 --> 00:55:34,920
those areas and they're very high the

1096
00:55:39,800 --> 00:55:37,530
altitude is very high so you know coming

1097
00:55:42,620 --> 00:55:39,810
from Montana wasn't so difficult for me

1098
00:55:46,430 --> 00:55:42,630
but for people who come from lower

1099
00:55:48,620 --> 00:55:46,440
altitudes it can be also very difficult

1100
00:55:52,490 --> 00:55:48,630
well it wasn't it wasn't difficult in

1101
00:55:55,130 --> 00:55:52,500
that manner for me thankfully but I was

1102
00:55:57,410 --> 00:55:55,140
impressed by the energy of the place and

1103
00:55:59,360 --> 00:55:57,420
I you know I felt those that I could

1104
00:56:02,330 --> 00:55:59,370
feel the sacredness of the place and I

1105
00:56:05,120 --> 00:56:02,340
I've always been a person who has tried

1106
00:56:08,330 --> 00:56:05,130
to travel to places of on several

1107
00:56:10,400 --> 00:56:08,340
continents of sacredness from from

1108
00:56:11,840 --> 00:56:10,410
Africa and Asia and Europe North and

1109
00:56:13,640 --> 00:56:11,850
South America haven't made it to

1110
00:56:16,220 --> 00:56:13,650
Australia yet but I understand there are

1111
00:56:21,920 --> 00:56:16,230
a number of very so I had I go to Ayers

1112
00:56:25,880 --> 00:56:21,930
Rock yes I hope to I hope to go yes yeah

1113
00:56:27,920 --> 00:56:25,890
and you know the the you know the

1114
00:56:30,350 --> 00:56:27,930
petroglyphs and the the ancient

1115
00:56:33,730 --> 00:56:30,360
dwellings in those canyons and in that

1116
00:56:37,070 --> 00:56:33,740
area is just breathtaking you know I

1117
00:56:39,880 --> 00:56:37,080
remember being a Monument Valley and and

1118
00:56:43,040 --> 00:56:39,890
there was an area there that my guide

1119
00:56:47,210 --> 00:56:43,050
who is who as Navajo said you know you

1120
00:56:49,730 --> 00:56:47,220
don't want to go there and he said them

1121
00:56:51,890 --> 00:56:49,740
well your husband can go there but but

1122
00:56:54,890 --> 00:56:51,900
you can't piece it because you're Indian

1123
00:56:58,670 --> 00:56:54,900
you can't go there he said because it's

1124
00:57:00,680 --> 00:56:58,680
not good medicine hmm so it was an

1125
00:57:03,980 --> 00:57:00,690
interesting experience because when

1126
00:57:05,810 --> 00:57:03,990
you're with a native person they can you

1127
00:57:08,450 --> 00:57:05,820
know tell you of those things that you

1128
00:57:10,700 --> 00:57:08,460
should do and shouldn't do yes yes and

1129
00:57:14,750 --> 00:57:10,710
there's of course down there there's the

1130
00:57:17,570 --> 00:57:14,760
big crater from the asteroid from the

1131
00:57:18,170 --> 00:57:17,580
meteor crater which is a fascinating

1132
00:57:21,799 --> 00:57:18,180
place

1133
00:57:24,559 --> 00:57:21,809
and seeing the the petroglyphs I did go

1134
00:57:26,690 --> 00:57:24,569
to see them I am NOT I am NOT an

1135
00:57:28,250 --> 00:57:26,700
American Indiana but I did go to see the

1136
00:57:33,019 --> 00:57:28,260
petracles so hopefully it didn't have in

1137
00:57:35,660 --> 00:57:33,029
bed madmen that was a monument vally not

1138
00:57:38,029 --> 00:57:35,670
in awesome there are petroglyphs down

1139
00:57:41,329 --> 00:57:38,039
beyond superior area that he didn't

1140
00:57:43,099 --> 00:57:41,339
advise Indians to go into interest and

1141
00:57:48,829 --> 00:57:43,109
he didn't explain it he just told me

1142
00:57:56,210 --> 00:57:48,839
that because it's not it's not good you

1143
00:57:59,809 --> 00:57:56,220
know so I chose a web good I'll be

1144
00:58:02,390 --> 00:57:59,819
reported back to you right on the other

1145
00:58:05,240 --> 00:58:02,400
hand how would you say the breakdown is

1146
00:58:08,990 --> 00:58:05,250
male to female in the stories that you

1147
00:58:11,900 --> 00:58:09,000
have have collected and would you say

1148
00:58:14,390 --> 00:58:11,910
there's more men that have told you

1149
00:58:17,900 --> 00:58:14,400
their stories it's ain't know that way

1150
00:58:23,960 --> 00:58:17,910
yet seem to bet that way you know it's

1151
00:58:30,470 --> 00:58:23,970
still of course the majority of the

1152
00:58:35,589 --> 00:58:30,480
elders were male and I don't know for

1153
00:58:38,029 --> 00:58:35,599
some reason it seems like but there is a

1154
00:58:41,359 --> 00:58:38,039
almost like a hunger of the males to

1155
00:58:44,990 --> 00:58:41,369
tell their stories because they had

1156
00:58:48,319 --> 00:58:45,000
never told them before I did interview a

1157
00:58:51,440 --> 00:58:48,329
lot of female so you know so you know I

1158
00:58:54,380 --> 00:58:51,450
try to balance it out but I do notice

1159
00:59:00,170 --> 00:58:54,390
that there are more male accounts and

1160
00:59:01,630 --> 00:59:00,180
perhaps because they're they're perhaps

1161
00:59:04,760 --> 00:59:01,640
more forthcoming

1162
00:59:07,279 --> 00:59:04,770
maybe that or it could it be that

1163
00:59:08,930 --> 00:59:07,289
they're more likely as a man is more

1164
00:59:11,930 --> 00:59:08,940
likely to be walking around in the

1165
00:59:14,990 --> 00:59:11,940
wilderness or in a dis desolated area by

1166
00:59:17,359 --> 00:59:15,000
themselves women tend to travel in at

1167
00:59:20,329 --> 00:59:17,369
least in small groups or stay closer to

1168
00:59:21,799 --> 00:59:20,339
the homestead but remember that one

1169
00:59:23,839 --> 00:59:21,809
story of the young law and it was

1170
00:59:26,510 --> 00:59:23,849
abducted in her she was driving back

1171
00:59:29,090 --> 00:59:26,520
from a state basketball tournament you

1172
00:59:31,340 --> 00:59:29,100
may have heard don't lecture with her

1173
00:59:34,250 --> 00:59:31,350
partner I said 10 you want to tell that

1174
00:59:37,310 --> 00:59:34,260
story for our listeners well she was

1175
00:59:39,680 --> 00:59:37,320
just driving along the highway a dueling

1176
00:59:41,840 --> 00:59:39,690
highway headed for the reservation and

1177
00:59:44,420 --> 00:59:41,850
she had her two younger sisters with her

1178
00:59:46,790 --> 00:59:44,430
they had gotten to to the state

1179
00:59:50,090 --> 00:59:46,800
basketball tournament and there had been

1180
00:59:51,860 --> 00:59:50,100
a mix-up in their innovations and so she

1181
00:59:53,480 --> 00:59:51,870
didn't have they didn't have a room for

1182
00:59:55,340 --> 00:59:53,490
the night so she called her mother and

1183
00:59:57,860 --> 00:59:55,350
she said you know I'm going to drive

1184
00:59:59,570 --> 00:59:57,870
home I can be home by midnight or so and

1185
01:00:05,120 --> 00:59:59,580
so our mother said well I'll wait up for

1186
01:00:08,390 --> 01:00:05,130
you and along the way suddenly of this

1187
01:00:10,910 --> 01:00:08,400
bright light appears she tries she

1188
01:00:13,730 --> 01:00:10,920
reaches her sisters to say do you see

1189
01:00:18,830 --> 01:00:13,740
that and and there just don't hold out

1190
01:00:20,810 --> 01:00:18,840
and there's all three taken on board

1191
01:00:23,660 --> 01:00:20,820
this craft and and of course she's

1192
01:00:27,470 --> 01:00:23,670
examined and and and they leave her

1193
01:00:30,040 --> 01:00:27,480
sisters alone who are like 12 and 14 but

1194
01:00:33,260 --> 01:00:30,050
she's you know closer to the age of a

1195
01:00:38,930 --> 01:00:33,270
womanhood you know she's a senior in

1196
01:00:40,850 --> 01:00:38,940
high school so you know yes but but you

1197
01:00:42,740 --> 01:00:40,860
know those things do happen and then you

1198
01:00:45,800 --> 01:00:42,750
know the grandmother the one who's told

1199
01:00:49,610 --> 01:00:45,810
me the story that her DNA was closest to

1200
01:00:51,410 --> 01:00:49,620
there's no that's a wouldn't a she asked

1201
01:00:53,990 --> 01:00:51,420
them why are you taking me and they said

1202
01:00:58,160 --> 01:00:54,000
well your DNA is closest to ours

1203
01:01:03,890 --> 01:00:58,170
well this was this was in 1974 when DNA

1204
01:01:06,770 --> 01:01:03,900
was not even a common term in in in the

1205
01:01:09,200 --> 01:01:06,780
United States and she pulled out this

1206
01:01:12,410 --> 01:01:09,210
old notebook a spiral notebook in her

1207
01:01:14,480 --> 01:01:12,420
kitchen table a drawer and she said take

1208
01:01:16,820 --> 01:01:14,490
a look at this and in nineteen every

1209
01:01:19,640 --> 01:01:16,830
year she recorded significant of it and

1210
01:01:22,790 --> 01:01:19,650
then the Year 1974 she had written in

1211
01:01:25,100 --> 01:01:22,800
small letters DNA and had tried to spell

1212
01:01:27,110 --> 01:01:25,110
out the word molecule she had no idea

1213
01:01:29,980 --> 01:01:27,120
what any of them meant well but that's

1214
01:01:34,280 --> 01:01:29,990
what the aliens had told her and

1215
01:01:40,060 --> 01:01:34,290
apparently on an other story some of the

1216
01:01:42,120 --> 01:01:40,070
people have differentiated between the

1217
01:01:46,559 --> 01:01:42,130
visitors who are

1218
01:01:49,890 --> 01:01:46,569
looking to experiment with our DNA or

1219
01:01:53,809 --> 01:01:49,900
maybe with our adrenal glands and others

1220
01:01:56,490 --> 01:01:53,819
of who are just coming to mine or

1221
01:01:58,499 --> 01:01:56,500
collect samples of wildlife and things

1222
01:02:00,960 --> 01:01:58,509
of that nature and then others who were

1223
01:02:05,279 --> 01:02:00,970
taken the whole groups of people who are

1224
01:02:08,990 --> 01:02:05,289
taken such as a Eskimos from the village

1225
01:02:12,660 --> 01:02:09,000
in 1930 which was a bone-chilling a

1226
01:02:16,460 --> 01:02:12,670
frightening story to me that was at the

1227
01:02:19,319 --> 01:02:16,470
preface of one of your stories about a

1228
01:02:22,769 --> 01:02:19,329
group being taken which is in itself is

1229
01:02:26,190 --> 01:02:22,779
is scary enough but when 2,000 people go

1230
01:02:30,240 --> 01:02:26,200
missing from a village that is that is

1231
01:02:32,880 --> 01:02:30,250
no small potatoes no no and I just had a

1232
01:02:35,999 --> 01:02:32,890
reader from France write me my that book

1233
01:02:38,999 --> 01:02:36,009
is coming out and in French incidentally

1234
01:02:42,349 --> 01:02:39,009
includi spur xi and them a French

1235
01:02:46,220 --> 01:02:42,359
publisher has picked it up and I got a

1236
01:02:48,749 --> 01:02:46,230
letter an email from the translator

1237
01:02:51,359 --> 01:02:48,759
asking me for more information about

1238
01:02:55,680 --> 01:02:51,369
that just ten minutes before you called

1239
01:02:59,210 --> 01:02:55,690
me more information about this MIDI or

1240
01:03:01,440 --> 01:02:59,220
about this event and of course you know

1241
01:03:03,240 --> 01:03:01,450
there are a lot of people who say was

1242
01:03:07,589 --> 01:03:03,250
just a story and there are other people

1243
01:03:10,549 --> 01:03:07,599
to say well you know Betty hill of the

1244
01:03:14,549 --> 01:03:10,559
Barnard Barney and Betty Hill yes

1245
01:03:17,460 --> 01:03:14,559
abduction story wrote an article about

1246
01:03:21,930 --> 01:03:17,470
that event because she said that she was

1247
01:03:28,589 --> 01:03:21,940
on a trip somewhere up in Canada and she

1248
01:03:33,779 --> 01:03:28,599
met this montior amount of police who

1249
01:03:38,150 --> 01:03:33,789
told her that their conclusions had been

1250
01:03:43,289 --> 01:03:38,160
that the that it was a UFO abduction

1251
01:03:45,240 --> 01:03:43,299
interesting and the the the trapper who

1252
01:03:47,279 --> 01:03:45,250
had seen it talked about you know these

1253
01:03:50,040 --> 01:03:47,289
bright lights that he saw go across the

1254
01:03:52,410 --> 01:03:50,050
sky and then um

1255
01:03:54,510 --> 01:03:52,420
and so she Betty Hill wrote an article

1256
01:03:56,010 --> 01:03:54,520
about it that that most people probably

1257
01:03:58,440 --> 01:03:56,020
don't even know about it I thought it

1258
01:04:01,890 --> 01:03:58,450
was really interesting because I was

1259
01:04:05,910 --> 01:04:01,900
doing some research for him and because

1260
01:04:08,040 --> 01:04:05,920
he said that sometimes whenever he's

1261
01:04:10,650 --> 01:04:08,050
doing interviews apparently all over

1262
01:04:14,280 --> 01:04:10,660
France now you know in the anticipation

1263
01:04:17,700 --> 01:04:14,290
of this book coming out free and and so

1264
01:04:21,359 --> 01:04:17,710
he calls his people the frogs they don't

1265
01:04:23,190 --> 01:04:21,369
any more information he said and so he

1266
01:04:26,339 --> 01:04:23,200
asked me to send him more information

1267
01:04:30,720 --> 01:04:26,349
because he was so he too was so

1268
01:04:34,230 --> 01:04:30,730
interested in this story the government

1269
01:04:36,390 --> 01:04:34,240
has denied that it occurred but people

1270
01:04:39,240 --> 01:04:36,400
just don't believe that it ever happened

1271
01:04:42,450 --> 01:04:39,250
you know I mean that it did happen and

1272
01:04:45,630 --> 01:04:42,460
it was something real I believe that it

1273
01:04:48,180 --> 01:04:45,640
was something real I also I want to make

1274
01:04:51,000 --> 01:04:48,190
a little prediction for you when your

1275
01:04:53,460 --> 01:04:51,010
book comes out in French and it comes to

1276
01:04:56,310 --> 01:04:53,470
Canada you're going to hear more stories

1277
01:04:58,859 --> 01:04:56,320
from some First Nation people up in

1278
01:05:02,520 --> 01:04:58,869
Quebec yeah that's true do that's my

1279
01:05:04,890 --> 01:05:02,530
prediction yeah it's been wonderful to

1280
01:05:08,220 --> 01:05:04,900
have you on shattered reality podcast

1281
01:05:10,800 --> 01:05:08,230
and our time we don't want to overdo

1282
01:05:14,220 --> 01:05:10,810
your time we've been a wonderfully a

1283
01:05:16,740 --> 01:05:14,230
giving guest and and really discussing

1284
01:05:19,140 --> 01:05:16,750
so many things with us and we wish we

1285
01:05:21,359 --> 01:05:19,150
could have a pot of coffee for you just

1286
01:05:23,400 --> 01:05:21,369
like in your books without a shower you

1287
01:05:25,859 --> 01:05:23,410
know as to invite me back and we'll

1288
01:05:29,099 --> 01:05:25,869
we'll continue on there's so many things

1289
01:05:30,660 --> 01:05:29,109
that I could tell you about okay well

1290
01:05:33,599 --> 01:05:30,670
we're going to look for your next book

1291
01:05:35,040 --> 01:05:33,609
and we're good we will definitely invite

1292
01:05:37,140 --> 01:05:35,050
you back there's no that is all the

1293
01:05:39,150 --> 01:05:37,150
shattered reality is going strong we

1294
01:05:41,820 --> 01:05:39,160
will be inviting you back you to be sure

1295
01:05:43,740 --> 01:05:41,830
that please tell everyone if they want

1296
01:05:45,690 --> 01:05:43,750
to write me if they read my books they

1297
01:05:49,460 --> 01:05:45,700
want to make comments if they want to

1298
01:05:55,560 --> 01:05:49,470
contact me that they can do it Artie ard

1299
01:05:59,849 --> 01:05:55,570
yx6 killer calm Marty ard why at-6

1300
01:06:03,299 --> 01:05:59,859
killer calm okay email address and my

1301
01:06:06,269 --> 01:06:03,309
web pages ww6 killer

1302
01:06:08,899 --> 01:06:06,279
okay all right hey and that's your

1303
01:06:11,359 --> 01:06:08,909
that's your family name is it is it not

1304
01:06:14,269 --> 01:06:11,369
that's right before you go could we

1305
01:06:20,039 --> 01:06:14,279
could you tell us the derivation of that

1306
01:06:22,499 --> 01:06:20,049
well it's it's a family name it's it's a

1307
01:06:24,149 --> 01:06:22,509
Cherokee Indian name but I'm both

1308
01:06:27,689 --> 01:06:24,159
Choctaw and Cherokee

1309
01:06:29,999 --> 01:06:27,699
okay okay okay all right thank you so

1310
01:06:32,999 --> 01:06:30,009
much thank you so much uh-huh bye-bye

1311
01:06:36,089 --> 01:06:33,009
I know I know well I was pretty

1312
01:06:38,489 --> 01:06:36,099
interesting yes it was yeah and so many

1313
01:06:40,620 --> 01:06:38,499
hey I want to ask a question sure have

1314
01:06:42,539 --> 01:06:40,630
you written a book you know if I'm

1315
01:06:44,489 --> 01:06:42,549
missing I'll take care of it

1316
01:06:48,059 --> 01:06:44,499
no engine that you had written about

1317
01:06:50,969 --> 01:06:48,069
your encounter down in I write a blog

1318
01:06:53,399 --> 01:06:50,979
Artie I write a blog it's called

1319
01:06:56,779 --> 01:06:53,409
it's it's the name of the blog the

1320
01:07:00,959 --> 01:06:56,789
address of the blog is faroush ax dot

1321
01:07:03,089 --> 01:07:00,969
wordpress.com and I'll be happy to send

1322
01:07:05,219 --> 01:07:03,099
you the link to that particular story I

1323
01:07:06,089 --> 01:07:05,229
would love that because I'd like to read

1324
01:07:08,189 --> 01:07:06,099
what you've written

1325
01:07:11,309 --> 01:07:08,199
okay yeah I would be happy to I would

1326
01:07:13,259 --> 01:07:11,319
like to write a book and probably when

1327
01:07:15,089 --> 01:07:13,269
things calm down a little bit maybe I

1328
01:07:17,039 --> 01:07:15,099
will get around to that I've really been

1329
01:07:19,140 --> 01:07:17,049
thinking I've got several books inside

1330
01:07:22,469 --> 01:07:19,150
my head that I'd like to get out on

1331
01:07:25,499 --> 01:07:22,479
paper but you are an inspiration to do

1332
01:07:29,009 --> 01:07:25,509
just that well you know you're never too

1333
01:07:34,439 --> 01:07:29,019
old to do the things that that that God

1334
01:07:36,630 --> 01:07:34,449
calls you to do well I agree okay thank

1335
01:07:39,239 --> 01:07:36,640
you guys thank thank you so much Thank

1336
01:07:41,399 --> 01:07:39,249
You Marty bye-bye well that was a great

1337
01:07:45,449 --> 01:07:41,409
interview don't you think she is just

1338
01:07:48,269 --> 01:07:45,459
wonderful I wanted to talk about one

1339
01:07:52,319 --> 01:07:48,279
other thing um that has been going on

1340
01:07:54,599 --> 01:07:52,329
and with me and that is ever since I

1341
01:07:58,259 --> 01:07:54,609
wrote a different article on my blog

1342
01:08:00,419 --> 01:07:58,269
which has to do with sleep paralysis you

1343
01:08:01,799 --> 01:08:00,429
remember we had Ryan heard on and we

1344
01:08:04,620 --> 01:08:01,809
talked about sleep paralysis

1345
01:08:08,399 --> 01:08:04,630
well that that article on sleep

1346
01:08:11,309 --> 01:08:08,409
paralysis every single day on the on the

1347
01:08:15,839 --> 01:08:11,319
Internet on my blog through [\h__\h]

1348
01:08:17,130 --> 01:08:15,849
wordpress.com gets more hits than any

1349
01:08:18,900 --> 01:08:17,140
other article in

1350
01:08:21,210 --> 01:08:18,910
fact more than the rest of all the

1351
01:08:25,170 --> 01:08:21,220
articles combined every day it gets a

1352
01:08:28,200 --> 01:08:25,180
bunch of hits and I had to turn off the

1353
01:08:32,340 --> 01:08:28,210
comments on that particular blog post

1354
01:08:34,800 --> 01:08:32,350
and now I get letters from people and I

1355
01:08:37,680 --> 01:08:34,810
haven't been able to answer them all but

1356
01:08:41,640 --> 01:08:37,690
I get regular letters from people who

1357
01:08:44,520 --> 01:08:41,650
have experiences involving sleep

1358
01:08:46,890 --> 01:08:44,530
paralysis involving being taken

1359
01:08:49,020 --> 01:08:46,900
involving things happening to them and

1360
01:08:53,010 --> 01:08:49,030
they really want to know how to stop

1361
01:08:55,710 --> 01:08:53,020
that or what the derivation is so I just

1362
01:08:58,260 --> 01:08:55,720
have to go back to saying one final

1363
01:09:01,620 --> 01:08:58,270
thing about that before we sign off for

1364
01:09:05,390 --> 01:09:01,630
the day and that is that it's absolutely

1365
01:09:08,190 --> 01:09:05,400
the truth that sleep paralysis is a

1366
01:09:11,490 --> 01:09:08,200
biological function that higher mammals

1367
01:09:14,850 --> 01:09:11,500
all experience from horses to dogs two

1368
01:09:16,530 --> 01:09:14,860
cats two people two monkeys and it I'm

1369
01:09:19,200 --> 01:09:16,540
just naming some of the species that

1370
01:09:23,820 --> 01:09:19,210
it's been observed in am i right and on

1371
01:09:25,200 --> 01:09:23,830
this case and it keeps you from jumping

1372
01:09:28,160 --> 01:09:25,210
out the window when you're having a

1373
01:09:32,190 --> 01:09:28,170
flying dream so it does have an

1374
01:09:34,800 --> 01:09:32,200
evolutionary component which is useful

1375
01:09:40,130 --> 01:09:34,810
to the species whether it be a cat or a

1376
01:09:44,520 --> 01:09:40,140
dog or a human however if you were and

1377
01:09:46,920 --> 01:09:44,530
more omnipotent alien being or some

1378
01:09:51,480 --> 01:09:46,930
other you were one of the others how

1379
01:09:54,690 --> 01:09:51,490
would you subdue an angry ape with a gun

1380
01:09:57,690 --> 01:09:54,700
you would catch them while they were in

1381
01:09:59,910 --> 01:09:57,700
a state of sleep paralysis or maybe you

1382
01:10:02,570 --> 01:09:59,920
might be so advanced that you're able to

1383
01:10:07,650 --> 01:10:02,580
put them in a state of sleep paralysis

1384
01:10:11,400 --> 01:10:07,660
so Fossum I do not doubt that sleep

1385
01:10:14,240 --> 01:10:11,410
paralysis plays a part in alien

1386
01:10:17,870 --> 01:10:14,250
abduction and I don't think necessarily

1387
01:10:21,270 --> 01:10:17,880
that that makes the abduction a

1388
01:10:23,370 --> 01:10:21,280
quote-unquote fake or you know something

1389
01:10:27,510 --> 01:10:23,380
that's dreamed up by the person but

1390
01:10:31,050 --> 01:10:27,520
rather that the visitors who may in fact

1391
01:10:33,720 --> 01:10:31,060
be thousands of years ahead of us

1392
01:10:37,650 --> 01:10:33,730
in terms of technological feats could

1393
01:10:41,100 --> 01:10:37,660
just put us in a state of sleep

1394
01:10:43,020 --> 01:10:41,110
paralysis so I'm going to speak to these

1395
01:10:44,490 --> 01:10:43,030
people or at least write a number of

1396
01:10:47,190 --> 01:10:44,500
these people who have written me letters

1397
01:10:49,770 --> 01:10:47,200
and see if I can share some of their

1398
01:10:52,050 --> 01:10:49,780
letters on shadow reality now I won't

1399
01:10:54,660 --> 01:10:52,060
share them unless the people agreed to

1400
01:10:59,340 --> 01:10:54,670
it because I'm you know I'm an upright

1401
01:11:00,780 --> 01:10:59,350
citizen I think anyway so what we're

1402
01:11:03,120 --> 01:11:00,790
going to say goodbye today

1403
01:11:06,570 --> 01:11:03,130
do you have something no I'm good I'm

1404
01:11:11,040 --> 01:11:06,580
good I just with all the UFO people that

1405
01:11:13,680 --> 01:11:11,050
I interviewed I it's funny that this is

1406
01:11:16,200 --> 01:11:13,690
definitely I think almost an Eastern

1407
01:11:19,470 --> 01:11:16,210
culture thing because when she started

1408
01:11:22,320 --> 01:11:19,480
to talk about Montana and Arizona and

1409
01:11:23,400 --> 01:11:22,330
like she referred to Arizona's oh well

1410
01:11:28,440 --> 01:11:23,410
they were down there

1411
01:11:29,880 --> 01:11:28,450
yeah I've realized how really divorced

1412
01:11:32,550 --> 01:11:29,890
we were from that part of the country

1413
01:11:33,630 --> 01:11:32,560
here at least and which is a shame and

1414
01:11:36,420 --> 01:11:33,640
I'm not saying it's good or bad it's

1415
01:11:38,730 --> 01:11:36,430
just it is it's the way it is and and

1416
01:11:43,350 --> 01:11:38,740
the cultural differences were phenomenal

1417
01:11:46,680 --> 01:11:43,360
and you know but so but the experiences

1418
01:11:48,840 --> 01:11:46,690
are the same they they are and and you

1419
01:11:51,360 --> 01:11:48,850
know I am on the same page with you

1420
01:11:53,940 --> 01:11:51,370
because if you recall one of our earlier

1421
01:11:58,080 --> 01:11:53,950
guests was a fellow who has his own

1422
01:12:02,250 --> 01:11:58,090
podcast is that mr. Greg Bishop of radio

1423
01:12:04,020 --> 01:12:02,260
mysterioso and he is kind of expert in

1424
01:12:06,600 --> 01:12:04,030
all the stuff that happened in Southern

1425
01:12:09,240 --> 01:12:06,610
California in Arizona and you know he

1426
01:12:12,930 --> 01:12:09,250
can go back and talk about all the stuff

1427
01:12:16,020 --> 01:12:12,940
that happened out in the desert and the

1428
01:12:18,330 --> 01:12:16,030
abbé not appease the contactees in the

1429
01:12:21,330 --> 01:12:18,340
desert and and the big rock that's the

1430
01:12:25,350 --> 01:12:21,340
the gatherings at the big rock and the

1431
01:12:30,510 --> 01:12:25,360
the laboratory that blew up in the in

1432
01:12:34,530 --> 01:12:30,520
the that was like some people that were

1433
01:12:36,720 --> 01:12:34,540
early oh boy I can't think of the fellas

1434
01:12:39,870 --> 01:12:36,730
name but he was a scientist and he

1435
01:12:44,430 --> 01:12:39,880
became obsessed with UFOs and he wanted

1436
01:12:47,220 --> 01:12:44,440
to create a Tulpa and he he had a

1437
01:12:49,620 --> 01:12:47,230
laboratory in the desert and the whole

1438
01:12:51,360 --> 01:12:49,630
damn thing blew up good yeah

1439
01:12:53,400 --> 01:12:51,370
now I wasn't good at all but I mean

1440
01:12:55,290 --> 01:12:53,410
we're so divorced from that that's over

1441
01:12:58,380 --> 01:12:55,300
2,000 miles away from us it's hard to

1442
01:13:00,030 --> 01:12:58,390
have that that in-your-face connection

1443
01:13:01,410 --> 01:13:00,040
with it that he has yeah but the point

1444
01:13:03,060 --> 01:13:01,420
is that the Coachman's are very

1445
01:13:07,370 --> 01:13:03,070
different but the experiences are the

1446
01:13:10,200 --> 01:13:07,380
same yes so that there has to be a

1447
01:13:12,630 --> 01:13:10,210
culture of experience yeah which would

1448
01:13:14,550 --> 01:13:12,640
indicate alien right and and when and

1449
01:13:17,400 --> 01:13:14,560
when Artie was talking for instance

1450
01:13:20,970 --> 01:13:17,410
about the three girls that were driving

1451
01:13:25,170 --> 01:13:20,980
and um the light that came down and the

1452
01:13:27,900 --> 01:13:25,180
two of them were unconscious and she was

1453
01:13:30,120 --> 01:13:27,910
awake and she went up into the vehicle

1454
01:13:33,870 --> 01:13:30,130
along with the other two girls that is

1455
01:13:36,270 --> 01:13:33,880
so I mean they were American Indians but

1456
01:13:38,040 --> 01:13:36,280
it was the exact same experience is like

1457
01:13:40,560 --> 01:13:38,050
lady and Barney Hill is a totally

1458
01:13:42,510 --> 01:13:40,570
classic experience and and and in

1459
01:13:44,160 --> 01:13:42,520
cultural boundaries the fact that they

1460
01:13:47,040 --> 01:13:44,170
might or you know might have lived on a

1461
01:13:49,950 --> 01:13:47,050
reservation or not had made salutely no

1462
01:13:53,160 --> 01:13:49,960
difference the experience was almost

1463
01:13:56,600 --> 01:13:53,170
identical or basically identical the

1464
01:13:59,939 --> 01:13:56,610
only one thing that I found was that

1465
01:14:01,979 --> 01:13:59,949
there were these fellows these these

1466
01:14:05,520 --> 01:14:01,989
elders were not afraid did not

1467
01:14:07,680 --> 01:14:05,530
experience not a cultural fear but this

1468
01:14:10,170 --> 01:14:07,690
biological fear and that's the one thing

1469
01:14:13,140 --> 01:14:10,180
to kind of confuse me because everybody

1470
01:14:16,560 --> 01:14:13,150
else that I know that that gets this

1471
01:14:19,200 --> 01:14:16,570
like bio fear that I think my rare

1472
01:14:21,209 --> 01:14:19,210
variant this familiarity bred not

1473
01:14:24,510 --> 01:14:21,219
contempt in this case but lack of fear

1474
01:14:26,280 --> 01:14:24,520
no amazing guys I mean really to me

1475
01:14:28,020 --> 01:14:26,290
because I don't you find that with some

1476
01:14:30,570 --> 01:14:28,030
of the people here like some of the

1477
01:14:32,850 --> 01:14:30,580
abductees we've spoken to that after a

1478
01:14:35,490 --> 01:14:32,860
while it gets to be okay all right

1479
01:14:37,650 --> 01:14:35,500
they're coming again and you know they

1480
01:14:41,400 --> 01:14:37,660
sort of learn to live with it and I

1481
01:14:43,770 --> 01:14:41,410
think it also makes because that culture

1482
01:14:46,229 --> 01:14:43,780
will speak among themselves too so it

1483
01:14:48,120 --> 01:14:46,239
makes it a little bit more real well

1484
01:14:51,030 --> 01:14:48,130
they have the the tradition of the star

1485
01:14:54,060 --> 01:14:51,040
people but that was that was that was

1486
01:14:55,500 --> 01:14:54,070
fascinating to me and I'm glad she wrote

1487
01:14:57,479 --> 01:14:55,510
all those things that's great yeah

1488
01:14:58,350 --> 01:14:57,489
they're these three books are great and

1489
01:15:00,419 --> 01:14:58,360
I'm looking for

1490
01:15:02,310 --> 01:15:00,429
to the fourth book you know miss

1491
01:15:04,890 --> 01:15:02,320
Ferruccio she told you you know it's

1492
01:15:08,399 --> 01:15:04,900
time to woman up write your own book

1493
01:15:11,160 --> 01:15:08,409
yeah well I've got I've got some really

1494
01:15:15,930 --> 01:15:11,170
splendid plans in that direction okay I

1495
01:15:18,180 --> 01:15:15,940
actually do but okay I think mr. Bill's

1496
01:15:20,939 --> 01:15:18,190
deserting so we better like a goodbye

1497
01:15:24,270 --> 01:15:20,949
and say we better go it's a good wine we

1498
01:15:29,669 --> 01:15:24,280
hope to be back soon for a new episode

1499
01:15:30,680 --> 01:15:29,679
of shattered reality podcast adios adios